6 thoughts on “Traditionalist sentiment re: homosexuality a serious liability now in E.U. politics”

  1. It’s not for naught that Turnabout says, “The Battle Goes On!”
    One problem of course with this whole thing is the left spins the situation as a choice between someone who personally considers homosexuality a sin and someone who is neutral. But that’s not how it goes in reality. What we usually get as the alternative to someone like this Italian gent is an individual who personally considers some, most, or all of normalness (i.e., what we nowadays label “conservatism” or “traditional conservatism” but prior to around 1970—give or take a couple of years either way—was considered to be ordinary, utterly apolitical mere normalness)—what we usually get as the alternative is an individual who personally considers some, most, or all of normalness a sin and joins in leftist efforts to stamp normalness out by means of the power of government acting arbitrarily. So what it comes down to is we’re in a war.

    “The Battle Goes On!”

    “If a tree falls and an expert doesn’t hear it, is there a sound?” Yes, the sweetest, most melodious sound in all creation: the sound of entropy being brought clanking, screeching, grinding to a halt.

  2. Was he forthright?

    “I may think that homosexuality is a sin, and this has no effect on politics, unless I say that homosexuality is a crime,” Buttiglione said.

    This strikes me as an odd comment. When a Catholic philosopher says there’s something wrong with homosexuality he wouldn’t normally mean there’s some sort of special religious problem with it, like not treating consecrated hosts with respect. He would mean that even putting aside revelation and religious discipline there’s something wrong with it as a matter of natural law. People who aren’t Catholics or Christians can recognize the problem, just as they can recognize the problem with theft or murder. And in fact they generally do.

    Of course, it would have been harder for Buttiglione to say “I may think that homosexuality is anti-social and violates human dignity, but this has no effect on politics, unless I say that homosexuality is a crime.” It’s not a good idea though to obfuscate Catholic positions.

    Rem tene, verba sequentur.

    • And his relativism did him no good…
      … they were still declaring his unfitness, based on his statement, obfuscating though it was.

      Christians must be bold.

      2 Timothy 1:7 For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline.

  3. I just saw a segment on this
    I just saw a segment on this on the BBC world service. It’s still a very big deal, apparently. The BBC of course took the view that Buttiglione’s comments, which they described as “remarks on homosexuals,” were totally out of line. They gave the last word to some Labour MEP who said the comment was completely opposed to human rights and if this sort of thing is acceptable then we can all just go home. And that’s the way things are from their standpoint.

    There’s no point trying to meet any of this stuff half way. It won’t be seen as a legitimate offer of compromise or accommodation. There’s no way to make sex less than basic to human relationships and therefore society itself. So Buttiglione got nothing by presenting his views as a personal something-or-other having to do with some specialized way of looking at things of no public applicability.

    Rem tene, verba sequentur.

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